Pay Your DJ or Pass the Pickles

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welcome back to beyond the dj booth.

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I'm'm Brian B.

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And I'm Joe Bunn.

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We were talking about how we should open today's show.

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Yeah, we've definitely stepped it up every time.

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We started with the lowest common denominator, worked our way up, so let's talk food, okay, we?

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just ordered something Right.

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You picked a sandwich spot.

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What's your go-to sandwich spot?

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Okay, I'm just kind of shocked by the pick.

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I know you were.

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I know here's the thing my go-to's are always going to be, even in the coffee range independence.

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Okay.

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So for me, being near Village District, formerly Cameron Village- they changed the name.

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Okay, yeah, the whole.

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Thing.

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Saquon's like hey Post-George Floyd, everything with any sort of a racist name.

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Cameron this guy, cameron.

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Last name turned out to be some sort of a bad person I would never have known you weren't here, then you weren't here to be fair, my son's middle school multiple statues.

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Yeah, it was a thing.

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They had to come down, it was over.

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Now Village District.

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I'm going to go Cafe Carolina, absolute staple Delicious, or Village Deli, okay, but their delivery is not very good.

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They don't do what we're eating.

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They do they do.

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However, by the time it gets here, it's fucked up.

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It's not good.

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Not good.

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So Is it soggy, Soggy?

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What's the issue?

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Well, village Deli, I want to go hot sub, so I want to go Philly chicken and cheese.

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No cold, wow, cheese is all gooey, it's all amalgamated I made that word up or just soggy, okay, whereas jersey mike's the choice you were flabbergasted at is just quick, easy, it's right there on p street.

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I go cold sub from there, okay, I just go.

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I go roast beef and, uh, provolone okay, I thought you were number six.

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Don't say subway, no, no, jimmy johns.

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I knew you were gonna say jimmy john, that is my go-to like.

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I will eat a jimmy john's before every show because it's just like it's gonna hold you over.

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The brand is incredible I agree.

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I agree, I do fuck with jimmy john's.

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I think it's out of the delivery zone here.

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Oh, because it's way down wake forest got it.

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So anyway, now I'm gonna say this subway is disgusting.

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By the way, wow, yeah, some hate dude, when you go and you stand online and you give me this, if you look at the, it's got like a rainbow film on it, no cap, it's an actual like iridescent film on like the turkey.

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It's vile.

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But I will say this in terms of fast food sub places, so not independent.

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I don't know if you've ever been there Penn Station Actually, I have been there.

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You ever fuck with Penn Station.

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You like.

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And it hits.

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I mean Yo, they got that thing.

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Remember Quiznos, when that used to be in business.

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They had that little conveyor oven that it cruises through.

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Okay, okay, it's been a little bit.

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I'm just saying Well, they have a new one that just opened up in town.

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Really Penn Station?

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No, it's over by like.

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Jaguar next to where you used to get your haircut back in the day.

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Yeah, that didn't also.

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Oh no, no dude, I had to sell my truck to get a damn sub there.

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It was crazy with the wife and the kid I was like a hundo.

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A hundo for three sandwiches this is insane.

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I'm not kidding.

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Of course I had chips, or whatever yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's so.

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So we went jersey mics.

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Okay, what are we moving into?

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What do you want to talk about a song?

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You got a song for me today we can.

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I know we talked about t swift recently we did so I'll play you a blend that I've been kind of digging.

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I made my own edited of this.

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This is with.

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Well you, you actually made this.

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No, no, let me correct that real quickly.

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I did not make this edit.

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I was about to say no, bro.

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I've seen some feuds go down online where people claim to have made it.

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I did not make this, I make edits of the edits yes so for me, a lot of times the break is too long, i'll'll have a breakdown and I'm like it's not meant for a mobile.

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Maybe, for a club, potentially.

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But I also feel like even then, like people's ADD kicks in, they want to get into it.

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Yeah, they leave right.

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They go eat at Jersey Mike's.

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Yeah, not Subway.

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But here's one of the things that break sometimes is needed at times to kind of like have a slowdown so you don't have to go to an elvis presley track right, right right but this blend specifically I like it because the song heroes, which is kind of an older edm I love that song.

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Right, this goes with it tobaloo, whatever name is so this is the one, gosh.

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I'm drawing a blank on the taylor swift specific track.

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But it's not love story, okay, but it's one that crushes okay, so this is peak hour.

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Okay, I think you could drop this.

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Let me hear this NK Crucial.

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These are awesome.

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She's cheer capping and I'm on the bleachers, dreaming about the day when you wake up and find that what you're looking for has been here the whole time.

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If you could see that I'm.

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You're right, it's a love story Sorry, can't you see?

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No, it isn't.

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It isn't a love story.

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You belong to me, you belong to me.

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That's what it was, that's what I thought, or Swifties.

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Jeez, I knew it was not Love Story.

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Sorry, you're right, you steered me in the wrong direction.

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I'm sorry.

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Shout out all the.

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Swifties that just absolutely shitted and turned off this show.

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But I think you could play it for the ride, a thousand percent.

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I think you could play it for a dance floor banger.

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A thousand percent.

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Later, because then it kicks that song.

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Heroes.

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Just to be fair, Are you playing that?

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No, I don't play it.

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And I never really did, or maybe I did when it was at its peak or whatever.

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But I love this just because she's hot and the songs always go over.

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You know what I mean.

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Like both of those songs were big and so when you put them together they equal still big, even though both of those songs are old now like it's still too, is to stand out these days, like it's not just where you program the song, but hearing it in a different way that still makes sense.

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Like you can get so obscure with it you have to be really careful, I agree, but like this, those two songs were both bangers in their day, sure, and I feel like they work well together.

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But I also heard some DJs saying, like you know something the other day on Facebook like oh, you know having these, you know hot edits or these hard to find or rare edits or what makes you stand out, but, like number one, your audience you're only going to if you're a mobile DJ or private event DJ you're only going to see once a year.

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So it's not like they're going to see you at 10 different events and hear that Taylor Swift blend and go man, I've heard this shit before from him.

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This is washed up.

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They're not.

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They might get invited to two, three weddings a year if they're lucky and social people.

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So I get what people are saying.

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But I also think I can play a radio edit and sprinkle in some blends that are again poignant, like relevant blends, and still have people like blown away.

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You know what I mean I don't feel like every song has to be edit into edit into edit into edit.

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Like what I really like irks.

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My nerve is like when you play an edit and it's two songs that I would have played separately, right, like I love that we found love with I want to dance with somebody.

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Whoever made that out, shot them out, scooter made that.

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That's beautiful, right, I get it, but I want to hear we found love and I want to hear a better edit than the original, but just some like re-drum or whatever.

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I usually play an edit that one of my DJs made of I Want to Dance with Somebody and other than the very beginning, it's pretty much as it was played in the 80s.

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So, I don't know, sometimes that drives me nuts.

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Well, and I think if you're playing blends all night, nothing will stand out, because it's all blended together, right?

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It because it's all blended together, right.

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It just feels, just confuses a listener, almost totally like they're sitting there dancing.

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One like, oh, this is interesting.

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Now you're going like, oh, that's the so-and-so vocal, but what is this track?

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it's driving me crazy, like as much as I showcase blends.

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For me they're like the limited piece of my playing sure I'm usually playing the originals short edits of them.

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Yeah, like that way, these ones that I do have, do stand speaking of you were just talking about a show you have coming up and you were saying that the guy actually went the opposite of what most people are saying now and he wanted you to play long edits.

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To be fair, he's older, like older than me.

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He's close.

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No, he is actually.

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He was saying that three minutes was short and I was trying to say it's not really that short.

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I mean most songs these days.

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A pop song is max three minutes.

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Right, even like a sign, sealed, delivered, or like a my girl isn't much longer than three minutes he specifically referenced stairway to heaven.

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Like I don't want to hear jesus.

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You know I'm like well, that's seven minutes long, don't worry, we're not even going to get to that song anyway.

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You know that was my.

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When I first started, that was my go-to stair Stairway to Heaven.

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Well, you know, I was playing teen dances when we were all 13.

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And all my friends were 13.

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And they wanted to slow dance with a girl and it was super long and also I didn't have enough music to play, so every hour I would just play Stairway to Heaven, wow yeah, and it would eat up like seven minutes of my set.

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Dude, another one like that.

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You can go too short, too right oh?

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there's no doubt.

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You know, people are really on these guys.

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Nuts Two Friends.

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You like these guys.

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I mean, I like them, yeah, look, I like them as well.

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But like number one, it's not DJing Right, it's sequencing.

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It's on Ableton Right.

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They're not playing it live.

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I don't know what they do in their live show.

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Like I actually was playing it the other day at Velare for the 45-minute ride you know indoor cycling class and it was like it didn't even let the song breathe, like it was almost just like a line.

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I don't even think I got a chorus and then it was just on to the next thing and some of the stuff.

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Just I was like man, let it Be by the Beatles, if you're going to.

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That's sacrilege.

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There's a feel like what are you doing?

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That's the beatles.

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That's crazy not even that I'm a huge beatles fan, but I'm like, anyway, you don't trap out that, let it be just what are we doing here like musically, anyway, shout out to friends, uh I don't know if I just

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I didn't know.

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I didn't really give them a compliment, I guess, but they're geniuses at what they do, right like, because this stuff isn't key and they are just ripping through hundreds of songs in those big booty mixes.

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So if you want to hear somebody, I also think wedding event is completely different, a trillion times different than what even day.

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We had digital dave on this mentor call that brian, and I do with jason.

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The other night he was saying how many songs he played at those long club sets and I was like dude, that is crazy, yeah you know, with those super long sets he's playing 300 songs or something anyway let's get into the question of the day from one of our listeners here.

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You want me to read it.

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Yeah, Scott Arnold, I am currently in the process of expanding and adding a second DJ to my company.

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Yes, he will be a subcontractor and I'm trying to figure out the comp structure.

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I was thinking of a percentage structure.

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What do you recommend?

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Comp structure meaning pay like how?

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he's going to pay this person.

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I'm a disclaimer, this first.

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We're not going to talk about, on this episode, or maybe ever, subs versus employees.

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I don't want to get into this.

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I don't, I don't want to talk about it.

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It's been dragged through the mud.

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However, you want to pay your people, pay your people, but in this particular case, we're just talking about how he's going to pay this person, whether they're sub, employee, whatever.

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Do you want to speak on it first?

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I would say transparency is king number one.

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You mean upfront when they come on board.

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I mean to the point where, like all the guys that work with me, they know what the client paid Like.

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I have no problem sharing that and I feel like the percentage is the better mechanism than like a flat rate Same Just because it's easy to calculate.

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Honestly, it's mainly for my benefit to know profit margins, things like that, because I'm doing it on a percentage rather than a flat rate.

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With a flat rate, I just feel like there's a little bit of layer of non-transparency that can come in there and people feel like they're taken advantage of whatever when that is on, the percentage structure is always going to vary.

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I mean, I've got some guys on our team that you know we've structured it so differently that they could be at 80%.

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But you're looking at that more like an agency Agency model.

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Yeah, but you can't pay your bills on 20%.

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No right that I know of.

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So, that has to be like, set up in a certain way where it would make sense for your business.

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Most companies I hear are 50% ish at the top Right, but usually between 30 and 50, somewhere in that range.

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That's what I was going to say.

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You know, for us I'll usually start somebody at about 40% and they can work their way up to 50.

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50 is kind of the cap here.

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And again, I'm not really running an agency per se.

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I mean, I guess I am and I'm not right.

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Most of the people are very loyal to the brand.

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You have to be really to work here Now.

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Do they go out and make 300 bucks on a Friday at some little bar down the street?

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A hundred percent?

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Do I take any of that?

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Absolutely not.

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You know, do I hope they're representing the company?

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If somebody comes up at a bachelorette party and goes man, we've had the best time, can I get your card?

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And they give them a Bun DJ company card with their name on it?

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Yeah, yes, I like what you said, though, that you have the window to go up.

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Yes, that's right, if you start too high.

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You've maxed your guy out.

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You've got nowhere else to go and I think that there are yearly reviews, kind of help.

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Are you happy?

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Do you feel like you're making enough money?

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Sometimes I've heard this was years ago I'd hear some kind of backdoor chatter from Randy.

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Be like man, there's some guys kind of chattering about getting more money and I'll immediately shut it down, Send out an email or whatever and be like hey, Randy doesn't write the checks, I do.

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If you have a problem with your money, come to me privately, we can talk about it and especially, I'm going to be flexible or negotiable with somebody that's a soldier, somebody that's been here or somebody that's made me money.

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I've got no problem having that conversation and bumping you up a few points, and that few points if you're making a lot of money is a good amount of money, even if you bump them up two or 3%, and you go look, you did this, whatever X dollars amount this year and again, just like you, they can see the contract, they know where they're getting paid on every show.

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If I add five more percent, you're going to make you show.

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If I add five more percent, you're gonna make.

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You know five more percent equals this many dollars.

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Right, like sometimes, you have to really spell it oh yeah because five percent doesn't sound like a lot.

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But if you really show them, hey, next year you do the same amount of shows you're gonna make whatever do you have any like auto kickers in there.

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By auto kickers I mean like it kicks into the next percentage if you do 100 shows or no.

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Get so many reviews all of a sudden.

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So it's usually a feeling man or them just flat out saying hey, man, can I, can I get a bump?

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I've had people approach me and ask for that.

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That had not proven their value here.

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I was just like man, you know you don't volunteer to do the free shows for the charity events.

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You don't do the open houses.

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You know you're not a soldier like I call them and I'd be like no, I mean, it is what it is.

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But I've had guys that have been here for a decade or five years and have done hundreds of shows and I'm like dude, absolutely man, I'm sorry you even had to ask me.

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I should have just bumped you.

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You know what I mean, so it's a feeling thing for me.

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Love it, good stuff, man.

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Well, as always, we really appreciate you guys.

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I hope you are enjoying the podcast.

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So far, please let us know.

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That's the main thing with the night when we were getting ready to.

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You know, start talking about the launch.

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Like social, you can post something and you get immediate reaction.

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Right, you know they love it or they say something.

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You know, or they react to it.

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Podcasting is a little different.

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You know what I mean.

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So, whether it's going to be in the Facebook group or the website or wherever, please DM us, you know, on our individual Instagrams or whatever.

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Let us know if you're enjoying this, because it is definitely not an instant gratification kind of post, if you will and what segments do you think are working for you?

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that you'd like to see more of less of thanks, guys, see ya.